its because the world is full of weak idiots and we are severly outnumbered. I feel your pain. But I dont blame myself in these situations.

hi mel -

i took a look at your chart (pulled it up on astro.com, also) and it's quite the interesting one.

i bet you're onto something by pointing out the 7th house placement of your scorpio stellium. since it would direct the intensity of your very substantial scorpio energy towards, specifically, relationships/partnerships (and, as you pointed out, since your open enemies would come outta there, too), it seems as if relationships, for your, are particularly weighted, intense, and bring up various types of challenges. also, it was interesting not just how many of your personal planets you have in scorpio (sun/moon/mercury/venus), but also how many conjunctions you have. the one that stood out to me the most was your moon/saturn/pluto conjunction, which also adds a lot of extra weight and sensitivity to your moon. it seems like being close to people is apt to set off a lot of triggers, with the scorpio placement already doing that, and saturn and pluto, plus your other planets, also adding in.

at the same time, while your chart looks very challenging, it's interesting to see a chart that's so focused. it seems as if, by having such a heavy, packed 7th house in scorpio, one of your main focuses and lifetime challenges would BE to be able to learn how to have very genuine, deep relationships with people. and you probably know all of this already, so i wish i had better advice on what direction to take in order to achieve this result.

the other bit i noticed, at least when i pulled your chart up on astro.com, is that your 9th house capricorn mars is basically a singleton, not making any major aspects. i don't know a lot about how singletons behave (and your chart on your profile had it, i believe, making a square to venus and/or your sun?), but if anyone else has thoughts on singletons...

also, i was thinking about your speculations on the differences between scorpio suns and moons in terms of getting along with people. i do think that sometimes scorpio moons are a bit more reserved, because it is our INSTINCT (and thus less consciously controllable) to feel the sorts of scorpionic paranoia and emotional intensity. we may withdraw a bit more or be slightly more cautious than some scorpio suns, for this reason. but i also know a number of very social scorpio moons. i think we're just more cautious about forming very close relationships and truly giving much of ourselves to other people, because trust is a difficult issue.

i do find it generally pretty easy to get along with a lot of people and to maintain friendships, but i also have a taurus sun and venus, so they're a bit chickenish and/or lazy about bringing up qualms and rocking the boat unless it's really necessary. they like to just keep things easy and mellow, sometimes to their detriment. i used to, though, be extremely shy and it's only recently that i've gotten to a place where i can easily make new contacts who i really get to know without just feeling too intimidated and frozen up, initially, to even talk. and i also have gemini rising, which makes me really want to know a little about a lot of people, so it makes me able to tolerate some amount of superficial connection, at least in acquaintances or casual friends. i have a bit of chart luck when it comes to those things, but it also makes me seem a lot more flighty and socially comfortable and open than i truly am (as, again, i don't reveal much of my true self to most people).

i found it interesting, also, that you have taurus rising. i've known a couple of scorpio moons with taurus rising (one of them had his venus/mars in scorpio, as well, so also a scorpio stellium person). they were both surprisingly sensitive for men, interested in intense one-on-ones with people they picked out as confidants, and were a bit psychically overwhelming for me to be around. i was sort of attracted to/repelled simultaneously by them. ultimately, they were both difficult to be around for very different reasons, and theirs were a couple of the only friendships i've ever felt like i needed to terminate. taurus rising gives an immediate sense that someone is calm and easy-going, so i wonder if you also tend to come across that way, initially. it doesn't necessarily make people as out-going as, say gemini rising, but at least charming and somewhat socially inclined, if perhaps a bit on the quiet side (though i know some loud, loud, chatty taurus rising people, too). it seems, with your sun and venus in scorpio, especially, that then the true heaviness would hit pretty quickly after the first impression and that could make for some immediate tension.

anyhow, i'm sorry i'm just rambling! someone else help this thread be more focused! i was curious - how far into relationships do you tend to have conflicts with people? how well do you tend to have to know people before there are issues? can you maintain casual connections (or do you even want to)? or is it mainly with intimate relationships?

I've been told I should try to get along...
But I just can't get along...
I'd like to get a long
board & start in on some of these jerks!

People Ain't No Good ~ The Cramps
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Haha right on with putting out the no BS for the thread! Makes it easier to get deep into the convo in the correct manner.

I completely understand the need to be alone and away from everyone. For one week I hid from the world cause everyone was getting too dramatic about bullshyt that was pointless and highschoolish. I didn't have the time or energy to think at that stupid level. But yeah if you need to hide out under a rock for awhile, do it. It could help you in the long run.

I totally get what you mean with your moon placement. I try not to sugar coat things, but when I got extremely weak people that cry WAY too much and I don't like overly emotional people too much, that I have to atleast once sugar coat the tone of the convo so that its not all bitchy and what not. I do have a friend that is blind sighted about a guy, she has a Gemini sun/Pisces Moon/Leo Rising. I know drama chart! But man My aries sun/scorpio moon/pisces rising makes me blunt and to the point with a cherry on top lol.

I think its more so you may need to be patient with certain individuals if they get too emotional. You have to be able to see where they are coming from first and then approach them with what you need to say. Cause no two people grew up in the exact same homes so thats why people get into conflicts when they don't understand one another.

BUT if someone is being a freakin' moron, then by all means bite the hand that feeds! haha

I find it hard to get along with people too. I'm a misanthrope at heart. There are only a few people I can spend long periods of time with, and even then I need lots of time on my own. I'm very opinionated too and never keep them to myself. Why should we? it's better to be real than pretend to be something you're not. I find I get along better with other water signs and some earth signs. Just be yourself and if other people don't like it, screw them.

LOL @ twat creme. Yes I can understand, I am pretty black and white for the most part with people myself. People either really got love for me or they cannot stand me. For the most part people like and they tend to like me more as they get to know me. I have honor and respect and they know that at the drop of a dime I got their back for sure. This is also true for the most part how I feel towards other people, the majority of people are ignorant, dumb, lack common sense, self absorbed and lame. I usually do not waste my time talking to these derelicts but sometimes its politics, it can be sneaky but its part of the game like it or not. I do not hide it, but sometimes ironically, the people I do not talk to, eventually try to engage me in some sort of way because I do not talk to them, its funny. Depending on the convo I will talk with them and feel them out or my Sag part will lift my leg like the Mask character with Jim Carrey and skidattle and be aloof LOL!

oh gosh yes. its difficult for me to get along with others. either they love me or hate me and they usually don't take the time to get to know me. or i don't give them the chance to get to know me. that could be my fault as well. but im no idiot and im not about to let any little dummy into my world, lol. its hard. there are a lot of ignorant people out there and they are usually stuck up jealous bit*hes. the fact that i have this inner gps and i can usually detect whether a person is genuine or not helps. thats the part where i see right thru you, and i base my decision from there. my scorpio moon makes me sorta secretive so i feel vulnerable and thats extremely uncomfortable with me. thats probably why my friends are from back in the day, known them for atleast 10 years. the new ones just don't understand. perhaps i should make a new friend with a fellow scopio moon. maybe they will totally get me.

I have definitely had my share of discomfort and troubles in this area. Try not to shut yourself off for to long, sometime you need to pull away from crowds in order to figure things out more clearly. I had taken a lot of practice for me to get a handle on my tendency to speak without considering other people's feelings, breaking it down before I speak. This is a daily task. With me people will always get the truth but the delivery has become more palatable. Consider how you would like to be spoken to, how do you want to be treated? You can e passionate in your beliefs and not offensive.