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Can someone tell me if Scorpio moons or Scorpio ascendants are apt to have terrible childhoods? Or a terrible first thirty years of life? I thought I read that somewhere, but now I can't find the source. Thanks.
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 3:16 PMWell I wouldn't say terrible but mine was certainly not normal at times. It was pretty tough sometimes as in my family and I are lucky to be alive because of terrorism. I learned about death at a pretty young age. My Dad has Scorpio moon also and he had a rough upbringing without much love. My brother has a Scorpio ascendant.
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 4:09 PMYes, Scorpio Moons are known to have difficult/challenging childhoods ~ not all of them are "terrible" tho (but when they are bad, they can be very bad):
Moon in Scorpio
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Keywords: Brooding, Intense, Motivated, Dominating, Spiteful, Loyal, Creative, Suspicious
Those born with the moon in a Water sign need to establish solid emotional commitments. Before considering the practicality of a situation, and before objectively examining the facts, they react emotionally. They are highly intuitive, though at times, it is deceptively self-serving.
As lunar Water sign personalities, those with moon in Scorpio are primarily led by their emotions. If they are subjected to emotional manipulation or deprivation in childhood, they are not going to reveal their vulnerability by openly expressing their feelings or needs. If they are raised in a non-threatening environment, they will probably emerge as mild mannered, easy to get along with adults. There is no denying the potential for hedonism, possessiveness, jealousy, and revenge in these individuals but not all of them give in to such destructive energies. Those who do are likely to suffer accordingly, reaping their rewards in this life rather than the next.
from www.0800-horoscope.com/moonsi...pio.php
I don't know about Scorpio ascendants having rough childhoods ~ I'd venture a guess that, as children, they are regarded by others with a bit more 'suspicion' than other children & that may set up a self-fulfilling prophecy situation ~ possibly making for a more cynical & mistrustful child ~ but, as a Scorpio Sun & Moon myself, I think that regardless of how other people treat me, I can always find a way to turn it to my advantage & that talent outweighs the social 'inconvenience'. I make my own fun & if other people don't want to join in, that is their choice.
My boyfriend has a Scorpio ascendant & he had a non-standard childhood (but what does that really mean? who really has a 'normal' childhood?) but he just emphatically told me that he loved his weird child stage ~ it wasn't without it's troubles, but the differences he felt compared to what he saw with other kids, just emphasized how much he enjoyed being himself.
love all-ways,
mem
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 4:57 PMps ~ I just found this & I like it!
The Scorpio Moon is a mysterious Moon. This Moon is strongly motivated by feelings while remaining most adept at hiding true emotions. It is a Moon of great willpower and good judgment, but one which never forgets a good or bad deed. The Scorpio Moon is one of the more difficult Moons, often having to face and conquer more obstacles than the other Moons. It is prone to aggressive and dominating behavior in addition to being wilful and stubborn. The Scorpio Moon possesses strong beliefs which will likely be expressed in a passionate manner. This Moon is one of secrecy and personal independence coupled with heightened intuitive and psychic abilities. However, the Scorpio Moon can be jealous and distrustful, believing that the sharing of feelings leads to vulnerability.
In general, the personality of those whose Moon sign is in Scorpio may be one which harbors a feeling of misunderstanding by others. Fighters by nature, those ruled by the Scorpio Moon are usually hot-tempered and stand alone in their battles. They fight with assurance and confidence. However, there is a tendency for such people to bring out in themselves the very things they are fighting against. Persons governed by the Moon in Scorpio will be full of energy with a tendency to express themselves in a rather blunt manner. While such individuals might declare they are "okay with change," it is a somewhat different story inside and they are actually quite conservative, resisting change...particuarly any change which is forced upon them. When such people do change their minds on an idea, they fully stand behind it and help to implement the change.
In reality, Scorpio is probably one of the most misunderstood of the Zodiac signs and individuals who fall under the jurisdiction of its Moon are inclined to act out of irritation or anger. In short, these people like to get revenge. Others may perceive those ruled by the Scorpio Moon as lacking in a strong moral code, or that they drink too much, but the truth is, such individuals are truly possessed of a strong willpower and much determination. However, there is also a massive love of pleasure and those governed by this particular Moon will be quite familiar with the subject of pleasure. There is a strong attraction to the opposite sex...and vice versa.
Those governed by the Scorpio Moon share many of the characteristics of those ruled by the Moon of Capricorn. Both subjects have boundless energy, a lack of control in certain life areas and oftentimes, trouble with the opposite sex. This could cause a great deal of strife throughout life and more than one marriage is highly likely. The Moon in Scorpio is also closely related to death and the occupation of an individual ruled in this manner might well be so related...policeman, fireman or soldier, for example. Passion and intensity will be paramount in any relationship which involves those who fall under the jursiction of the Scorpio Moon. There is also an ability to inspire others here, for such subjects will never shirk in the face of unpleasant situations and are perfectly capable of speaking up for the underdog. Individuals of the Scorpio Moon know no fear and will refuse to be put off by the views of society when it comes to choosing friends or partners. However, there is a distinct tendency to keep many emotions "under wraps" and others may be unaware of this individual's true feelings until he or she "lets rip" at the last straw.
Time alone is very important for those ruled by the Moon in Scorpio...it is necessary in order to process feelings and come to terms with some of the injustices of the world. These are people with a strong moral conscience who, when hit by tragedy, will survive to return again...scarred, but ready to face life. The strong intuitive powers and psychic abilities of Scorpio Moon individuals enable them to see below the surface.
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Wed, July 1, 2009 - 12:40 AMYeah, not terrible, but difficult, im not just thinking of external circumstances. It is hard to be extremly sensitive child that noone understands -
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 8:17 AMCircumstances and experiences as well as our inner nature shape who we are, as they do all living things,,
a terrible childhood may involve external circumstances such as war, a tough childhood is every ones challenge,
its also called "coming to terms with life", its part of knowing our physical limitations and our emotional asprcts,
every one has a tough childhood of sorts,,,boo fucking hoo -
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 10:40 AMMine was pretty bad........After 30 years I became fortunate. -
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 10:44 AMboo fucking hoo indeed. Thats a bit judgmental, dont you think? I wouldn't trade all of the bad things that happen to meas long as It didnt turn me into a philosophical self righteous dipshit.......Im not saying that what you are....... =D -
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 8:04 AMIts not judgemental,,,its not staying in some
victim mentality,,,,everyone has to struggle
during life, and childhood is one of those
times ,,,, what are you going to do, sit saround and
have a pity party ,,," woe is me, my childhood sucks
worse than yours " ,,, once a person is on their own is
the time to flourish, its not being self-rightous, its an
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 11:11 AMThat's funny I was just thinking about this. I had a really bad childhood (boo f*cking hoo) but my adult life has been really good so far....
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 12:02 PMIt felt like you disregarded it as something insignificant. Yes, people get out of it and move on, some people have to really struggle to get past that point though. All the scars. All the wierd quirks in someones personality and social flaws.It can be alot to heal. It is a very important stage of life because its the development years. It has a real impact. Some people become deeply saddened when they think of their childhood. Its not a pity party. Its remembering a part of you that you came from that you had to survive. Because you you survived it, you realise your strength in a very tangible way. You have a much different perspective than someone else.Some people have to bear this.
Its can lead to post traumatic stress disorder. It can lead to future child abuser/ wife beater. It can lead to sociopath serial killer.
It can also force someone to grow up faster than other kids. Develop leadership skills because their own parents are too checked out to guide them.Develop a hard shell to guard against coldness and heartbreak the world has yet to reveal. One can also learn how to value love and affection. One can learn to give their own children what they didn't have.
so boo fuckinhoo that shit, buddy. you apparent dont have all the views ......It sounded like an insensitive vulgar comment that you tried to back up with psuedo-deep lingo trying to spout strength and scorpio phoenix bullshit. Its much more deeper than that. jeez!
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 2:22 AM
Well, like scorpio mooners, you all got some intensity on your posts ;)
I was born with scorpio moon and scorpio rising and, well, childhood was hard.
Now that I'm studying astrology I realize that I'm a very Neptunian person.
Being such a Neptunian helped me to get distraught of pain, and looking for relief on music and "disconnect" with the real world.
I've read that if the first 30 years of your life are terrible, the next 30 years would be joyful.
And viceversa. I guess that is a Saturn thing...
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 5:06 AMyou nailed it sean
One should never underevaluate the struggles in life. Their own or someone elses. That is where the power is. Where you come from and where you've been are a part of who and what you are. Personally I think the "developmental years" never end. We're always growing.
The struggles,trials and tribulations deck you to keep you honest ,aware and in command of the road ahead -
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 8:04 AMwell sean, I wasn't disregarding anything,
I was responding to the original post that said something
about scorp moons having a tougher childhood than others,
When some people sit around and put a measure of degree
on something that is more than someone else, they are also disregarding others,
maybe some others had a tough childhood, even then what we do with our adversity
after we have the opportunity to be independant says more than sitting around
with a woe is me, I had a tough childhood attitude,,,sometimes its time to
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 10:20 PMAnd, for the "sometimes its time to grow out and grow up,,,"
Try here - www.theannainstitute.org/stwh.pdf
Sometimes it's can't be done.
The developing brain can be hard wired as a result of trauma, making it impossible to "move on".
(If the link does not work - it's to a pdf file - Google "scars that won't heal")
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:22 PMOkay, man...and sorry for calling you a jerk.
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 10:08 PMIn response to : "so boo fuckinhoo that shit, buddy. " and other jabs at the earlier Sol post.
Consider the following:
You could have been born in Phnom Penh, Cambodia around 1966.
Which would have made you about nine years old when the Khmer Rouge assumed power.
You would have seen almost one-forth of the population die of starvation, slave labor, mass executions, and epidemic disease.
You would have grown up during a time of social upheaval, and degradation unmatched by the Dark Ages.
Some of our childhoods were far, far from perfect. But, they were a long way from how bad they could have been.
Comparing horror stories is a waste of time; as is getting upset because we assume another is not sufficiently sympathetic to our tale of woe.
Side Note: (for what it's worth)
Of the members of this Tribe whom I have gotten to know personally, the "worst childhood" is one who does not have a Scorpio Moon. -
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Thu, July 9, 2009 - 7:02 PM''Comparing horror stories is a waste of time; as is getting upset because we assume another is not sufficiently sympathetic to our tale of woe. ''
I just noticed this old post just now.
Nothing wrong with comparing horror stories Its good to let it out quite healthy actually. You dont have to listen if you cant relate. If you dont have anything helpful to say then let it be. I dont think anyones lookin for pity. Why compare yourself to phnom penh? Will that help any scarring go away? Will it help figure out if there is a relation between bad childhood and scorpio? Are we comparing horror stories with Cambodia? Thats the real waste of time....... might as well compare us to the holocaust jews , and send all the food we waste to the starving kids in africa.
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 2:24 PMIs your scorpio moon in any way aspected with pluto? Particularly conjunct, square or opposite?
My childhood was warm and sunny, but I went through some serious devastations as a child. But I still feel like I made the best of it, and am a better person for it. Everyone's childhood is subjective. -
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Sat, July 4, 2009 - 10:06 PMYes, my scorpio moon is conjunct pluto. And I agree you have to make the best of it. -
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:47 AMI have Scorpio Moon and Rising (moon in the first house), and my childhood was not always very happy. I was very very introverted, and left alone much of the time. I'd sit alone in a corner, quietly observing the world around me, and I was probably a lot more aware of the emotional undercurrents happening between people (my parents especially, but also school-mates, teachers, etc.) than anyone else did. I've always viewed life from a very deep point of view. I must admit that it didn't feel too bad at the time (I didn't know about anything else; how could I be hurting?), but now that I am an adult, I'm slowly beginning to realize how much all of the secretive and toxic impressions my Scorpio moon and asc absorbed really did and still do affect me. I wouldn't trade anything though. I love my Scorp Moon :) But through the Scorpio Asc filter, life has not always been an easy ride, and much of the time I've felt very misunderstood from the external environment. Making the best of it is definitely the key. I've been able to assist others in their emotional struggles, and at those times I feel I can really make good use of my own experiences. Today I feel life is good, and I wouldn't change anything!
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Sun, July 5, 2009 - 12:54 PMI have Scorpio moon, and my childhood was difficult and uncomfortable, but i would not change it for anything. Like others have pointed out, it could have been a lot worse, and people all over the world experience pain and hardship in ways I can not imagine. The difficulties I faced as a child were offset by my amazing parents. I have very few friends who have/had the kind of love and support, and nurturing I received from my parents. I consider myself blessed... -
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"The Waldo / Wally aspect"
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:26 PM
Sometimes I used to think about myself like the game "Where's Waldo / Wally”, because neither my sister or my brother witnessed the worst discussions between my parents like I did. I was always on the strangest (wrongest?) place, like Waldo / Wally.
It was curious that while my brother and sister were with their friends, I was on my daddy's car with him and my mom fighting about a supposed "infidelity" and shit. I was 7 years old.
And, again, in difference with my sister and brother, I spent a lot of time on hospitals, with urologists and endoscopies...
But as time passed by, the "Waldo / Wally aspect" took place --for good-- on several jobs.
Suddenly I was interviewing important people for a magazine, attending fancy dinners and fashion runways... I hope this "aspect" remains for good.
My best regards!!!
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Re: "The Waldo / Wally aspect"
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:51 PMThe only difficulties I had *I* created myself. No point in crying about my childhood. I wasn't an easy child NOR am I an easy adult to get along with. I gave my poor Scorpio mom a run for her money. Always opinionated, always defiant of authority, always questioning. Stubborn, willful, and I HAD to learn from making mistakes rather then be told no. My parents told me no til they were blue in the face... punished me relentlessly... but the lesson was never learned until I experienced it first hand. I can't deny that I sound like a brat and maybe was but I was mostly independent and a loner. It was rough being so introverted. I felt like I was left out alot but again it was all my doing. Being excluded made me an angry little girl at times and it turned me into a mistrustful adult. I guess that's just my personality. I'll never be miss Happy go Lucky or the center of attention. I'm not sure I'd like that sort of thing anyway.
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Re: "The Waldo / Wally aspect"
Tue, July 7, 2009 - 12:10 AMI know a girl who has had some bad things impact her as a child. She used to be neglected by her "checked out" mom. She left her at a gas station once when she was 8. She went to go pee and the mom drove off not realising that she wasn't in the car with her and finally noticed after 20 minutes and drove back to get her. I thought the story was funny but now I see that growing up with her mom made her develop lots of abandonment issues. She has to deal with them as an adult. She doesn't notice that its related to certain events and situations that make her upset. It all explains the reason we got into alot of the fights we had. I used to look at her pictures of when she was a kid. She looked real happy and she was a cute kid. All the other people around her looked so serious and stuffy. The grown-ups probably let her do her own thing all the time because they were caught up in themselves and she lived in her own dream world where she is the princess of a magical forest. But I know that it must have made a part of her lonely.
When I was with her, she always wanted to take up all my free time. Cant leave me alone. Always up in my grill.
I often wonder how getting beaten up by my dad everyday impacted me. So far, all I can attribute it to is my quick temper and lack of fear concerning pain..... kinda good kinda bad. I am glad that in his later years he realised that he was horrible to me and he broke down and cried. I forgave him.....it showed he loved me....it was all I wanted.... he fixed it
if this is a scorpio thing, then it makes me feel kinda better.
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Wed, July 8, 2009 - 8:50 AMI had a tough upbringing but it was not that serious. Actually very fortunate and I appreciate my experiences because it has made me who I am today. I was the child of a 15 year old father, (who passed away @ age 30) my Moms was 16 when she had me. They did not stay together, had a step father who all in all was there for my mother and myself. She went from welfare to having a very nice house in a very good area. I had to deal with different types of abuse, growing up. (raised by grandparents till I was 5). Then my Mother came and literally took me away. Had to deal with a lot but that is another story....And I know it could have been much worse. I am appreciative of what I did have and still am.....
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Sat, July 11, 2009 - 4:57 AMTerrible childhood .
What you call terrible ?
terrible/not terrible by outside effects - may be anyone`s childhood - the main is how the person reacts in his inner world [!] ,
and the Scorpio Moon / Pluto Moon person`s reactions are overemotional keeping all emotions in ,
overstressing themselves and making the mood feel sh*t .
That is all . No terrible as it is . Just the emotional state is f*cking hard . And they themselves state for themselves that boo is f*cking hoo and not loving . Yes .
Adriana .
P.S. All conditions,all states may be won . All depends on your emotional state and your psychic abilities . -
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Re: Terrible childhoods?
Sun, July 26, 2009 - 1:28 AMYa just have to make peace with your past
to be at peace with yourself.
When I was born, my father was out drinking,
gambling and "chasing other women". He knew
my mother was in labor with me and he would not
go to the hospital. He was a partying.
So my mother named me after the man she all most married.
There was never any doubt whose child I was. I looked
to much like my father. But I found out about this after
my fathers death in 1993.
Now how did I come to terms with this ?
Q:
When you're hurt and disappointed by someone, what do you do?
A:
I use what I was taught in the anonymous twelve step programs.
Implicit example:
Chapter Five of the "Big Book" of Alcoholics Anonymous
(All of the anonymous twelve step programs are patterned after it,
including "LOve and Sex Addicts)
How It Works ....
What I learned and how I was able to find peace and forgiveness:
My mother went into a daydream state of mind to help her cope.
They were living in a black ghetto in Detroit when I was born. Often
there were no diapers of food for my older brother.
What I found out about and realized about my father was that he
was raised in a very abusive way. Much worse than I was. He showed
me and gave me what care and love he could, from all that he knew of it.
Now I understand what it is like to only have $5 when someonme you
love really needs $20. What I realized was that my dad gave me the $5
he had and that it hurt him really bad because he knew that I needed
$20 and he just did not have it to give.
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