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Scorpio Moon AND Lilith in Scorpio

topic posted Fri, February 5, 2010 - 1:05 PM by  DarkFairy
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I have both O_O Anyone else here have both?
Here's good description of Lilith in Scorpio

Lilith in Scorpio

starsigns__scorpio_by_bloodybabyblue“Leave that alone, Paulina! That vindictiveness is unworthy of you, and you should accept your suffering as an inevitable punishment for passion. Such a law obviously exists.”

Leonid Grosman, “Roulettenburg”

Everything here is a question of to be or not to be! Everything is a life or death struggle. And nobody can understand these people when they say that love is not love if it does not hurt, if there is no jealousy, pain, abandonment and comeback. If there is not even hatred and the darkness of frenzied passions and unsustainable desires, or that violent need for attention, looks, giving and owning. The eroticism of these people is morbid, for only in the face of rejection and the end that wounds the pride is their bitterness created and their hatred, love and passion awakened! Only when they are left and deceived, when treachery supresses faith – they move from fanatic love to the opposite extreme, thus beginning to hate with the same intensity if not even greater, the person that hurt them and that they were ready to, only the previous day, give everything for! They plan their vengeance, they even feel a type of disgust. Psychologically, Lilith positioned in Scorpio in its domicile is closer to women. Sometimes a person with LI in Sc uses rituals and rites, magic and the like in order to hurt or to gain the absolute attention of the person she is attracted to. If however, the person who has Lilith positioned here is not of an agressive or violent temperament, then she herself can be the victim of someone else’s rage, then it is she and her love that are in danger from others. In any case, after one humiliation and insult, especially women with LI in Sc have a problem of sexually opening up to men, to give themselves up and enjoy sex which is in their thoughts 24 hours a day! As a compromise, they strive to draw attention to themselves emphasizing their sex appeal by provocative clothing, uninhibited behaviour.

Generally these people are talented for sex of which they are aware, because it is only in sex, through the touch of two bodies, that they find satisfaction (and the touch is something that is obsessively missed since childhood, no matter how harmonious the family in which the person grew up as a child was, there still was not enough touching, embracing…), which is why they later in sex look for adoration and proof of love. If they wanted to, they could destroy up to three marriages through sex, but they find it hard to realize even one!

The feeling of degradation and lack of self esteem become the biggest problems of this person. Moderation is a word he does not know, everything is either – or! That is why things easily slip to extremes, from apathy to euphoria, from depression to hysteria, from ascetism to an insatiable hunger for passionate nights. Although men will experience her as a fatal seductress, Lilith here gets her maybe most sinister shape so it is extremely hard for her to approach anything with a pure heart, with trust and openness. This is also, of course, applicable to men with LI in Sc, that seek justification in everything for their defensive attitude which they use to shield themselves from new wounds. They do not trust women, sometimes even to the point of complete bitterness toward the female gender which may lead them to the opposite extreme (George Michael). A malicious use of sexual energy, whimsical sex and manipulation of their partner through erotic dominance can be frequent here! Relationships usually crash accompanied by the worst of scandals.

Sex and death hold an equal fascination! The transience of life and the constant presence of death in their thoughts make these people keep their senses alert at all times, ready to furiously and disdainfully snatch and raid what they please from life. They don’t believe in luck, and they constantly put it to the test whether through gamble or other vices with life itself as the stake. The suicidal is deeply hidden from the person, so no matter how much everything that is happening to her looks like an accident or bad carma, the person has envoked her destiny long ago, that evil and being lonely, death itself whether in some drug or dangerous person that will radically change her life. Truly, these people often times chose for a partner a fanatical and dangerous person, that is almost regularly some weirdo, a wild and antisocial person, a rebellious nature that they are sure will provide no security ( Whitney Houston had LI here and such a marriage with Bobby Brown and all the problems with heroin, and Carmen Electra, also with Lilith in Sc, had a marriage with Denis Rodmann that was measured in days only to recently enter into a serious relationship with the contraversial rock musician Dave Navarro). After such an experience, like Phoenix she raises from the ashes and she is beginning a seemingly different life as a new person, recupperated, full of life. Only when she finds herself on the bottom, only when the emotional pain becomes unbearable, does the person grow! That is why this is an extremely difficult position for Lillith, which can however, if the person decides to work on itself and its awareness, bring about incredible results and rapid progress, since the energies it possesses are not of this world and their power is incomprehensible!

Also, there is a great need to be an authority to others, while they themselves will only respect those that somehow strike fear into them or, even more for those who they fear for. A primal evil inhibits any kind of affirmation of life, joy, healthy love, romance, without destructive powers in the background that threaten to destroy, every seemingly harmonic state as soon as it finds itself at its pinnacle, when they care about it the most! That is why they constantly strive to have control over the lives of their dearest people, to manipulate with other people’s lives, being, emotions and they use sex as a means to achieve it! However, sex is also the means other people can use most easily to hurt this person, reject her, face her with defeat, loss, loneliness and lack of control over certain situations.

It is ideal if a person with Lilith in Scorpio choses a profession that will bring her in touch with this kind of people, with all human pathologies, whether through politics (Vojislav Seselj, Che Gevara), writing about the secret of human evil that is familiar to them (Andre Malreau) or by acting out on the scene such pathological characters that have, not by coincidence, made Jack Nicholson, who has Lilith positioned here, famous! Also, two of the greatest Sci Fi thrillers, horrors and pathological movies directors, Stanley Kubrick and David Lynch! LI in Sc gives also exceptional analysts, psychiatrists, surgeons…

It is also interesting that through dreams or some other strange ways the dead frequently communicate to them. They are inclined (especially in their youth) to spiritualistic seanses, they are interested in the occult, astrology, hypnosis, magical rites, mundane life is made up of these little ritual actions, they appear mysterious to others, they avoid talking about themselves, but if Lilith is badly aspected, all of that directly leads them to madness. Money is also important to them and an important factor for their health! The best advice is for a person to accept things as they are without losing hope in a better future, but it is exactly that which seems impossible here!

The following also have Lilith in Scorpio: Ivo Andric, Milja Vujanovic, Blondie, Akira Kurosawa, Jacques-Yves Cousteau, Brad Pitt, Annie Lennox, Louis Sachmo Armstrong, Gabriel Garcia Markes, Alain Prost, Fernando Alonso, Barricelo, Gwyneth Paltrow

Pretty intense to have both.

Here's the site sanjaperic.wordpress.com/2009/...pio-2/ they have the other Liliths as well.
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  • I am assuming that you mean Black Moon Lilith, as opposed to Dark Moon Lilith and/or Asteroid Lilith, right?

    love all-ways,
    mem
    • I'm actually not sure LOL the most common one? O_o Why are there so many? The one that show up on your birth chart. I only see one.....
      • the most commonly used one is BML ~ that's the one that shows up as a crescent moon over a cross on the charts provided by www.astro.com & is defined as the empty focus of the Moon's elliptical orbit around the Earth & is in the same place in the Zodiac as the farthest point (lunar apogee) of the Moon's orbit

        diagram: www.astro.com/im/in/blackmoon_e.jpg

        you can add both the Dark Moon Lilith & Asteroid Lilith to your chart on www.astro.com by adding "h58" for DML & "1181" for Asteroid Lilith in the box for additional objects on the same page where you added BML ~ DML will be indicated by the word "Walde" on your chart (Waldemath is the name of the astronomer who did the calculations for DML) & Asteroid Lilith will be indicated by the word "Lilit" on your chart

        "Why are there so many?"
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        well, Lilith is complex & has more than one form (there is also a fixed star named Lilith)

        Dark Moon Lilith is defined as the hypothetical second moon of Earth ~ I know it sounds *crazy* ~ but many things about Lilith tend to defy rational thinking ~ that is one of her hallmarks ~ study Lilith long enough & you will start to see that things are not always as they seem, in the simplest of terms

        Asteroid Lilith is an actual physical object


        my BML is in Virgo
        my DML is in Scorpio
        &
        my Asteroid Lilith is in Virgo

        love all-ways (there are so many ways!),
        mem
        • ps: when you are looking for astrological interpretations for one of the Liliths online, most of the time it will be for Black Moon Lilith, but not always ~ this confusion is further complicated because the words 'dark' & 'black' are sometimes used interchangeably ~ I've been looking into this matter for years now, so I just like to be VERY clear, as to not add to the existing confusion
  • Unsu...
     
    My partner has lilith in scorpio, and he has all the emotional extremes you describe - and most of the time the not so happy ones. Also, nearly everything he does seems to be motivated by a fear of death. It is really sad to see him suffer so much all the time. And indeed, he can only be happy when I hold him, especially skin to skin. Yet I cannot really see a lot of evil in him. Basically he's a very sweet person. But he can get very vindictive once he's been mistreated - or if he feels that way, and it is really very easy to make him feel that way.

    As for Mem's "price that must be paid", that price that "catches one a bit off-guard"... Isn't that price all the suffering? He feels like a tormented artist all the time, something like Vincent van Gogh.
    BTW, Vincent van Gogh had lilith conjunct mercury and pluto in aries, all in the 10th house...
    • You wonder: Who am I coming at you like your shadow?
      Like a bird in flight
      in the dark of the night
      I am the first and the last.
      I am the honoured one and the scorned one.
      I am the whore, and the holy one.
      I am the substance and the one who has no substance.
      I am she that looketh forth as the morning,
      fair as the moon, clear as the sun
      and terrible as an army with banners.
      I sleep on the earth and I dance in the trees.
      I lie on the sands and I fly on the breeze.
      I walk in the sun and I drink with the bees.
      I sing with the rocks and I do as I please.

      You, you have summoned me with your desires
      There are things you need to know about Love and Creation.
      What can I know about Love, you ask?
      I seduce, I destroy, I have no heart?
      Those are lies. Lies they tell about me now. Lies they might tell about you later.
      I live in the Tree of Life,
      with the serpent in the roots and the Thunderbird in its branches.
      Why are you afraid of me, afraid of the tree?
      What you see outside is what is inside of you.
      And what is inside of you is what is outside of you.
      If you bring forth what is within you,
      what you bring forth will save you.
      If you do not bring forth what is within you,
      what you do not bring forth will destroy you.

      How beautiful are thy feet, O Daughters of the Moon!
      In the joining of thy thighs there is a jewel.
      I am wild like the wind. Yes!
      Thy navel is like a round goblet filled with wine.
      Thy belly is like a heap of wheat set about with lilies.
      I live in trees, I kiss serpents. Yes!
      Thy two breasts are like two young deer that are twins.
      Thy neck is as a tower of ivory.
      Thine eyes are like the fish pools by the white harbour.
      My vitality of life is boundless. It is the same as yours.
      Feel your vitality, your passion for life.
      Let it fill you. Let it fill you with your beauty and your power!

      You, Man of my heart. Do you remember me?
      Do you remember what we once were to each other?
      Do you remember the love that we shared?
      I long for a mate, thirsty like water.
      Come to me, I want you, I need your seed
      or I wither and die, no fruit in my branches.
      Do you resist me?
      Is it because I am stronger than you in the darkness of the night?
      You say I am an illusion, a dream.
      I am no dream.
      I offer you rapture and peace for your sterile pride.
      You deny and question, but mine eyes gleam on thee, lit with an ancient light.
      My lips proclaim mysteries.
      My arms hold all that gods desire and fools reject. Behold me!

      BUT--I will not submit to you and be put beneath you like a serving maid.
      I am his who dares to pay my price.
      I ask too much, you say? Yet I give all. Why do you hold back?
      I warn you. If you send me away, you will fall asleep,
      And your rib will be taken out for your mate.
      You banish me, but you will be cast out from the garden and struggle to be reborn.
      I will return to remind you of what you really want.
      How you feel broken with a mate who is but a part of you, like a crutch.

      I hurt, I am ill. What is this place
      where the children live in cement boxes and eat chemicals for food.
      The land is burning with the raging fires of war
      My trees are cut down, ruthlessly uprooted
      Animals thanklessly consumed; my life blood spilled out for greed
      I cannot live here. I must go...
      But you will hear my voice
      --in the wailing of women mourning their dead children--
      in the whimpers of the hungry babies
      the floodplains of my heart will pour out over the land
      And you will hear my voice in the howling winds and the hurricanes--
      in the earthquakes and the volcanoes!

      Awake, O thou whom my soul loveth, and come
      Come into my garden, where the spices flow out.
      Come into your garden and eat the pleasant fruits.
      Come to the temple for the holy rites of love.
      Set me as a seal upon thine heart,
      For love is strong as death.
      Set your soul free.

      ~M. Kelley Hunter
      • Unsu...
         
        I have both scorpio in my moon and lilith reading this made me think about myself, scorpio is such a mystery, in love and hate, with others and within, amazing and powerful...but at the same time dark and depressing...it sucks that it takes something really bad to happen to us to grow and we tend to put ourselves in the bad situations. awakening the phoenix within us is so important because personally alot of the time it can feel so good to be bad so i could get what i want, something im trying to work on but find it rather difficult :(. last i have to say that poem is so deep and amazing.
  • Don't have Lilith in Scorpio, but is conjunct Pluto.

    The astro.com chart gives the following:

    Lilith . . . . . . . . 2 Leo 24
    Pluto . . . . . . . 5 Leo 37
    Then Venus . . 7 Leo 45

    Therefore; a three-way conjunction ?

    • Unsu...
       
      OMG Edward, please tell us all about how you experience and handle relationships!!! In what house is this stellium?
      • "please tell us all about how you experience and handle relationships!!! In what house is this stellium? "

        Ninth house, close to the Midheaven.
        In addition, depending on how wide an orb is considered valid, Venus and Pluto may be considered trine to Mars (13 Aries 35) in the fifth house. Some would consider Lilith pulled along, others not - take your pick.
        Mary Ellen is the expert here, not me . . .

        As to relationships, I don't think you want a full-blown dissertation, but will expound later if requested.

        (I am not holding back, just don't feel up to it at this moment. Am coming down from a (another, dammit ! ) attack of Afib, with PVC involvement. Taint fun, and leaves me exhausted.)

        However, I must note all positive events in my life, without exception, have directly involved women. That includes career moves, promotions, support during crisis, etc., etc. I get along far better with women than men. and have always had female friends.

        • you are the best expert on you ~ I can only guide you to the places that Lilith has guided me ~ your experience may vary

          love all-ways,
          mem
          • Edward ~

            I'm going to assume that you mean Black Moon Lilith, when you wrote 'Lilith" ~ here's what I've got for the conjunction of BML & Pluto:

            Pluto-Black Moon Major Aspects

            On the lower mode: rich, complex and tenacious sexual fantasies or on the contrary, fear of sexuality.
            On the higher mode, the need for purity, perfection and absolute can be extreme.
            The conjunction, opposition, square, and trine are aspects which can strongly reinforce the occult
            nature of Pluto, giving tremendous insight into the hidden mysteries of life and sharp astral energy in
            plenty.
            There is also an immense potential of energy available to realise one's goals, but one needs to be able
            to go deep inside oneself to contact it and tap from it.
            In the conjunction and the opposition, the meeting of Hades and Lilith can make great esotericists
            and magicians, but also necromancers.

            from the canopus astrology program

            you may also want to check out the BML interpretations on this site:
            astrology.clairvision.org/astro...hboard
            in the multi-page free report, BML is covered & there is some additional information on her contained in the interactive chart option ~ hover your cursor over the BML glyph

            I have a theory that the interpretations given for Dark Moon Lilith can sometimes be applicable for Black Moon Lilith, too. Here's what one book I like says about DML & Pluto conjunctions ~ please let me know if you find any resonance in it:

            Aspects from Pluto to Dark Moon Lilith
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

            When impersonally involved these people can be very persuasive. They know just what to say or not to say at the right time for the strongest effect, otherwise they are just as apt to keep silent rather than to expose how they feel. They have unusually strong powers of observation & almost all of them, barring other factors in the chart, have some degree of extra sensory perception. They are good in work of a secret nature.

            You will never know all there is to know about them personally, no matter the appearance given to the contrary. They instinctively know the value of a certain amount of privacy but are not necessarily obvious about it. They prefer instead that you be unaware of this important personal need, in order to avoid any undue curiosity from you that makes them distinctly uneasy about interference. They are (or become) quite expert at drawing attention away from their vulnerable areas; or their private ideas; until they feel that they are in control of the situation. They prefer to be more active in the background until then. They are a force to be eventually reckoned with if they feel exposed to personal attack, criticism or denial. But, within areas that avoid personality involvements they welcome criticism as a challenge for them to meet in what they do & if you are correct they will admire you for it.

            Pride is usually strong. However, it is not a problem ordinarily, unless you come too close to something personal they wish to avoid having attention focused on & prefer to deal with strictly by themselves. In this case, they may appear to be open enough about it, instinctively realizing that obvious secrecy would only stir curiosity & risk interference. However if another's curiosity is too great, there is a growing adamance toward you because of what they see as your possible invasion of their privacy. Whether you may have unwittingly come upon it or not, is all the same to them. Their forcefulness becomes apparent (usually through attitude), but always in a subtle way that puts you suddenly in a strangely defensive position, as if your integrity is on the line. This soon gets the message across to leave them alone, it is as if you had come too close to a private territory they have claimed as their own & the door is closed to you in a way that leaves you with a distinct feeling of having been somehow overpowered. You do not know what really happened, but the graciously open outer demeanor suddenly seems to be warning you away. You may emotionally pick up on their resentment of your 'intrusion' & find yourself left with a strange feeling of upset & having been somehow punished or turned on, but you do not know why or what really happened. When necessary they can be downright sarcastic, putting you on the defensive as if an apology were in order but you do not know why.

            People with DMLilith aspecting Pluto are unusually vulnerable. At some time in their life they may have been too predictable or obvious about themselves, exposing themselves to forces or persons by whom they felt, or were, personally undermined in the control of their own affairs. Once extricated from this they realize only too well their vulnerability & go to great lengths to avoid (or do away with) any unnecessary personal spotlights on themselves, but never their power (Jimmy Carter). They like to keep a certain personal invisibility, not so much about their outer life or professional part they play in what they do, as much as in their personality involvement behind it. However, when blinded by personality involvement they have been known to state something penetrating about themselves that once & for all does away with curiosity about a particular area from which they fear attack (reasonable or not). Mr. Carter did this when he spoke of his "lust" during an interview for Playboy Magazine ~ a national publication.

            There is either an interest in the paranormal or they are in contact with persons of such interest. There may be awakening of unusual powers, as in the case of Uri Geller, famous Russian psychic known particularly for his work with psychokinesis. Mr. Gellar has DMLilith in Scorpio in the 1st house square a conjunction of Pluto-Saturn in the 10th. DMLilith magnified to incredible heights the psychic potential of a Scorpio stellium in his 1st house square the 10th house conjunction.

            People with DMLilith-Pluto aspects know how to relate to those in positions of power or potential power & many times develop strong friendships here. They are the influence behind a project. They make invaluable advisers if they believe in what is being done. There is nothing lukewarm about these people. They are either for something or it is non-existent to them. They have unusual attunement to mass psychology, as we saw for the negative extreme in Rev. Jim Jones in Jonestown, Guyana (DMLilith conjunct Saturn opposition Pluto). The mass induced suicides & murders surpassed belief in 1978. In literature we had Alex Haley (DMLilith trine Pluto), author of the book Roots, a work that triggered a social sense of pride in black people for their historical background ~ no small feat at that time.

            Crusading tendencies are strong in people with DMLilith-Pluto connections. Whether the motivation is positive or negative is what makes the difference for good or evil. With the hard aspects selfish temptations are stronger, but if the dedication to the Father's work surpasses desire for personal power, DMLilith aligned to Pluto can be a sure guide for the working of miracles.

            excerpted from D.G.Jay's Interpreting Lilith (1981)


            love all-ways,
            mem
            • My moon is in Scorpio (1st house) and Black moon Lilith in Scorpio (2nd). My Dark moon (Waldemath) is in a yod with Pluto, both are on black holes. I constantly feel pulled into weird sexual situations and I seem to attract geeks who are narcissists and bring out their horniest selves! For me, it's all about sexual tension and I can't seem to walk away, even knowing I shouldn't...I'm better about such things since marrying.

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